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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:18 pm    Post subject: attn meat eaters Reply with quote

why are you ok with killing an animal that is not human for food?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am okay with killing non-endangered animals for food.

Eating meat is part of my culture.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tastes good. mankind has been doing it for years. other species have been doing it to each other for years. hell, our bodies are even designed for it.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am okay with killing non-endangered animals for food.

Eating meat is part of my culture.


my question was why though.

how did that extra part get in your quote?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am really indifferent to the subject. I think Doug said it earlier about liking veggie, vegan and meat type foods. I guess I am an omnivore too.

I know there a tonne of reasons not to eat meat but the tasty steak I had this weekend at Bugboo Creek in Bangor was the only reason I needed to eat meat.

Long live the Omnivores
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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tastes good. mankind has been doing it for years. other species have been doing it to each other for years. hell, our bodies are even designed for it.


facts please!!! cite studies!!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dagz wrote:
I am really indifferent to the subject. I think Doug said it earlier about liking veggie, vegan and meat type foods. I guess I am an omnivore too.

I know there a tonne of reasons not to eat meat but the tasty steak I had this weekend at Bugboo Creek in Bangor was the only reason I needed to eat meat.

Long live the Omnivores


so, taste is your only reason?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because if a cow ever got the chance, he would eat me and everyone I cared about!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Because if a cow ever got the chance, he would eat me and everyone I cared about!


patently untrue! revenge is a cause that lacks nobility!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i had ham today. it was great

ive seen several photographs of our ancient ancestors eating meat

i once seen a spider eat a fly

my body has a difficult time handling when i have not eaten enough meat



not trying to be an ass or anything.... just answering the question.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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hell, our bodies are even designed for it.


that part is debatable. there are studies that argue that humans are meant to be ominvores or herbivores.

i could quote one study saying you should stop eating meat because your body isn't designed to (flat molars, long/winding intestines, don't have the ablitiy to eat raw meat, etc) and you could turn around and argue another study that says are designed to eat meat (sharp insicsors, etc.)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so, why eat a cow, but not a dog/cat?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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countdownhype wrote:
I am okay with killing non-endangered animals for food.

Eating meat is part of my culture.


my question was why though.



Why is it part of my culture?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol. I love you Dan.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zmd wrote:
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Because if a cow ever got the chance, he would eat me and everyone I cared about!


patently untrue! revenge is a cause that lacks nobility!


Sorry, but I've got proof. The Simpsons season seven episode 3F03 Lisa the Vegetarian. It's pretty damning evidence.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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countdownhype wrote:
I am okay with killing non-endangered animals for food.

Eating meat is part of my culture.


my question was why though.



Why is it part of my culture?


no, you chose to take that out of your answer.
and, clinging to culture is a reason to excuse lots of attrocities.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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so, why eat a cow, but not a dog/cat?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ive seen several photographs of our ancient ancestors eating meat


faulty argument. i've read accounts of and seen film and photographs of our ancestors killing natives, enslaving black people, terrorizing homosexuals and many other disgusting acts. because someone else did it before you does not mean it's okay. (mind you i'm not saying you're an evil person or anything, i'm just pointing out flaws in your logic because i'm a dink :P)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

because we are higher on the food chain

if we were not meant to eat meat, then why does it taste so good?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

whatever....

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im gonna go listen to rush now
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gamblor wrote:
zmd wrote:
so, why eat a cow, but not a dog/cat?


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i'd have to question that one :O
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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and, clinging to culture is a reason to excuse lots of attrocities.


You've got a point there.

But you consider meat eating an attrocity?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think we're designed to eat meat because of the eyes on the front of our head (ideal for chasing). i think the way meat is harvested is pretty damn cruel, but i have a lazy im-not-gonna-change-anything-so-why-bother-trying mentality.

i think it would be much better if every time you wanted some chicken nuggets, you had to grab a spear and sit in the woods for four hours behind a bush.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:32 pm    Post subject: Re: attn meat eaters Reply with quote

zmd wrote:
why are you ok with killing an animal that is not human for food?
serious question.


Because I've made a personal value judgement about humans and animals. While humans and animals may share same of the traits, I personally do not have a problem distinguishing between animals and humans. Pretty easy to tell the difference for me.

I value human life very strongly. Animals, not so much.

I respect those who do not distinguish between the value of animal life and human life, but I do disagree about their values. This is a personal judgement call.

Also, I'd eat dog or cat if they were tasty and available. I wouldn't eat someone else's dog or cat against their wishes since I also understand personal ownership rights.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:34 pm    Post subject: Re: attn meat eaters Reply with quote

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zmd wrote:
why are you ok with killing an animal that is not human for food?
serious question.


Because I've made a personal value judgement about humans and animals. While humans and animals may share same of the traits, I personally do not have a problem distinguishing between animals and humans. Pretty easy to tell the difference for me.

I value human life very strongly. Animals, not so much.

I respect those who do not distinguish between the value of animal life and human life, but I do disagree about their values. This is a personal judgement call.

Also, I'd eat dog or cat if they were tasty and available. I wouldn't eat someone else's dog or cat against their wishes since I also understand personal ownership rights.


what about strays?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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zmd wrote:

and, clinging to culture is a reason to excuse lots of attrocities.


You've got a point there.

But you consider meat eating an attrocity?


i do in fact.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd eat people if sobey's put it on the shelves cheap enough.
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For me, I grew up eating it without giving it a second thought. If I had to do the killing myself it would likely be a different story, where I did not grow up with that. I do enjoy meat, and have discovered undesirable effects in my body after toying with not eating meat for a week or so. I know those effects could probably be prevented with proper nutrition or substiting something for the meat, but that's where my laziness, and not having a problem with eating meat comes in.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THoMFinBettle wrote:
i think we're designed to eat meat because of the eyes on the front of our head (ideal for chasing). i think the way meat is harvested is pretty damn cruel, but i have a lazy im-not-gonna-change-anything-so-why-bother-trying mentality.

i think it would be much better if every time you wanted some chicken nuggets, you had to grab a spear and sit in the woods for four hours behind a bush.


personal thoughts. that is more or less a decision to be cruel.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:37 pm    Post subject: Re: attn meat eaters Reply with quote

kmd wrote:
what about strays?


I probably wouldn't bother because:

1) I'm too lazy to catch and slaughter an animal without the proper facilities and prepare it for consumption. I don't hunt either--laziness.

2) I wouldn't know what the stray has been up to or what might be in its body. I don't have the tools or knowledge to determine if the stray animal is safe to consume.

But morally, I don't have an issue with it.
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see this is peaceful.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GAH. Why does anyone care what anyone else eats?

These threads are just people trying to prove they're morally superior to others. Chill out.
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if we'e not meant to eat meat then why did God invent cheeseburgers Dan, answer me that one mr. smarty pants......
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

meg wrote:
see this is peaceful.


HAHAHAH, well timed!

sps_radio wrote:
GAH. Why does anyone care what anyone else eats?

These threads are just people trying to prove they're morally superior to others. Chill out.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually try to eat twice as much meat to make up for the people who don't.
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gosh, cant a vegan ask a simple question without the ridicule and jokes and blasting?
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In the Bible they ate animals. but only certain types.

(No scavengers. Some birds. Cows and Chicken for sure. No Pork. No Shellfish. for example)




(just being fair in the discussion.)





For the record; I do no eat any type of meat. Although, I may consume some meat byproducts. (milk, eggs, etc).
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gosh, cant a vegan ask a simple question without the ridicule and jokes and blasting?


Sorry I have a tendency to try and lighten the mood of serious conversations.
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in the bible, they only ate meat after original sin. meat eating is a punishment. in the garden, death did not exist, therefore, no animal eating. later, the bible was amended to give us dominion over the animals to cover this. also, it made sense for the time to eat meat due to a lacking understanding of nutrition.
lastly, thou shalt not kill. no amendments, no exceptions. religion is open to interpretation obviously.
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zmd wrote:

and, clinging to culture is a reason to excuse lots of attrocities.


countdownhype wrote:

You've got a point there.

But you consider meat eating an attrocity?



zmd wrote:
i do in fact.



While I think we should look long and hard at all of our over-consumption habits here in the west (water, energy, natural resources), but I don't agree that eating meat is an atrocity.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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see this is peaceful.


HAHAHAH, well timed!

GAH. Why does anyone care what anyone else eats?

sps_radio wrote:
These threads are just people trying to prove they're morally superior to others. Chill out.


but he was getting worked up about veganism.

edit: but hey it appears you may want to get people going to prove a point, so giver!
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In the Bible they ate animals. but only certain types.

(No scavengers. Some birds. Cows and Chicken for sure. No Pork. No Shellfish. for example)


While I'm not sure what this has to do with the discussion at hand. These rules applied only to Hebrew people in the Bible, and Paul received revelation in the new testament and subsequently taught that the old Hebrew laws need not apply to new Christians.

I could go on about this for awhile, but that's the basics.
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i am an omnivore because humans have been programed that way.



i eat meat, i eat veggies. both get digested equally and consumed the same way. When i don't eat meat for awhile I don't feel good. Supplements just don't do it for me either.

Some animals evolved to be hunted. simple. pigs and cows are easy to kill. they were bred in large quantities so the population wouldn't be depleted. Bad things happen to some animals. i blame industry and the fast-paced nature that it has now.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I'll always eat some form of meat/protein... it's perhaps an addiction that I need to live.

Although, I do believe that we harvest too way many large animals for the use of eating meat... you know, like methane polluting cows etc... considering the amount of food and space cows require for our consumption habits, it's perhaps time to promote alternatives.

although,
the protein of the future for the meat eaters, good very well be smaller animals like insects etc... I mean, once you get past the gory facture and enjoy the taste/texture of it's food, you can just about eat anything from the animal planet if it's well prepared.
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i will at this point state, for those who didnt get it, that i am not angry.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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in the bible, they only ate meat after original sin. meat eating is a punishment. in the garden, death did not exist, therefore, no animal eating. later, the bible was amended to give us dominion over the animals to cover this. also, it made sense for the time to eat meat due to a lacking understanding of nutrition.
lastly, thou shalt not kill. no amendments, no exceptions. religion is open to interpretation obviously.



this is kind of off topic but i find it funny that hardcore conservatives only take the "thou shalt not kill" part to mean, thou shalt not kill white people, or have abortions. bombing brown people and excecuting the mentaly disabled however is fine.
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meg wrote:
see this is peaceful.


HAHAHAH, well timed!

GAH. Why does anyone care what anyone else eats?

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These threads are just people trying to prove they're morally superior to others. Chill out.


but he was getting worked up about veganism.

edit: but hey it appears you may want to get people going to prove a point, so giver!


i dont usually like to draw conclusions for everyone...i was making a point tho...this is how i fell we are disected quite often for choosing the other lifestyle.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

barb wrote:

For the record; I do no eat any type of meat. Although, I may consume some meat byproducts. (milk, eggs, etc).


Just to be an asshole...

Everyone eats meat constantly. We eat bugs in the air, and we eat ourselves gradually, as skin from the inside of out mouths and elsewhere is processed as it replaces itself as part of normal processes.

In the same way, or similar, we all drink alcohol - everything ferments, so every glass of juice or dollop of jam or squish of maple syrup has alcohol in it, and our body creates alcohol (I've read 1 oz per day) as part of its digestive process/chemical reactions.

THEREFORE, THERE ARE NO NON-MEAT EATERS AND NO TEETOTALERS!

Just to be an asshole...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zmd wrote:
in the bible, they only ate meat after original sin. meat eating is a punishment. in the garden, death did not exist, therefore, no animal eating. later, the bible was amended to give us dominion over the animals to cover this. also, it made sense for the time to eat meat due to a lacking understanding of nutrition.
lastly, thou shalt not kill. no amendments, no exceptions. religion is open to interpretation obviously.


you must have really wanted a debate. This forum has had thousands of vegetarian vs meat discussions, and this one is no different than others.

Why do i eat meat? Mankind HAS done it for years. Sources? watch the discover channel, you may be able to find a good documentary on human evelution. When man kind was still apes, it was mostly herbavore, and only killed for protection. When it started to eat meat, its brain grew, and its intelligence rised.

with responce to your reply to "because if a cow ever had the chance it would eat you, and everyone you cared about", thats a simpsons reference:P

The human race is part of the food chain. the only reaosn we cause extinctions is because we've become too smart for our own good. I am well aware that eating no meat will make you live longer. I just dont care:p. We eat what we want to eat.

Would i kill an animal to feed myself? Yes!

If everyone human in the world didnt eat meat? The food chain would be horribly upset. Since there are so many people, the vegetation on the world could never support the earth's population. Then, there wouldnt be no vegetables for the animals to eat, and they wil all die.

No matter what happens, everything will die if things change. This way, they are dying slowly, as opposed to suddenly
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