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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think it only takes a couple weeks to run a DNA test, ofcourse the results here may have been returned via carrier pigeon and got lost. I am surprised the media and everyone in Saint John has been a-ok with this axe murder seemingly being swept under the rug


what, you don't think the media are calling to find out if there are anything new with the case on a regular basis?

And if there isn't anything new, are we supposed to keep running the same story
"Two months and two weeks after the murder of Saint John businessman Richard Oland, police still have not charged anyone and have nothing new to report"
"Two months, three weeks after the murder of Saint John businessman Richard Oland, police still have not charged anyone and have nothing new to report"
"Three months after the murder of Saint John businessman Richard Oland, police still have not charged anyone and have nothing new to report"

only the cops know what is going on behind the scenes, and for all we know they are just dotting all the i's and crossing the t's to ensure they get the person responsible.

What is the media supposed to do? Start a crusade? Christ, we get shit on all the time for being biased and not covering things, now we are expected to lead the charge?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There has not been a whisper in months.. I would personally like to know if they have a suspect.. or if they are still investigating or simply crossing the t's, dotting the i's or losing the DNA evidence. Don't worry noone expects the media to get to the bottom of anything, i am quite happy to read about who is turning 100, how the plans are coming for trumps visit, and NB Gourd exports.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There has not been a whisper in months.. I would personally like to know if they have a suspect.. or if they are still investigating or simply crossing the t's, dotting the i's or losing the DNA evidence. Don't worry noone expects the media to get to the bottom of anything, i am quite happy to read about who is turning 100, how the plans are coming for trumps visit, and NB Gourd exports.


why not call the police up personally and ask as a concerned citizen?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe you could just print that.... "Anyone interested in the details of what has been going on with the Oland Homicide please feel free to call Saint John City Police and ask for the details yourself"

I bet Terry Totten would have died and gone to heaven to receive that kind of treatment. "Anyone interested in hearing the private details of Terry Tottens homelife and relationships, just give him a ring and ask, not worthy of printing here"
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seriously, do you expect us to run stories every day stating the same thing over and over again?

Maybe we can run a graphic calendar thing....28 days, and still no one charged with the Oland Murder!

In relation to the Totten thing, which was before my time here in Saint John, I think you are pretty naive to think that a large number of people weren't interested in stories like that. You don't think it wasn't all the talk around town in the coffee shops, etc...just the same as the Oland case, perfectly demonstrated by some comments in this thread.
Whether we run the stories or not isn't my decision, so I really don't care either way.

What do you think are the most popular stories in the media?
Crime and courts, and political, and celebrity bullshit. People want to know who is in trouble with the law, who's cheating on who, who's using public money where they shouldn't. Stories like the Defence Minister possibly using a government helicopter as his personal taxi.
Maybe that's not the type of story you want to read, but unfortunately that's what is popular.
If it wasn't the case, we would have tabloid magazine, TMZ and Perez Hilton...

It seems that this isn't a serial killer, it's an isolated incident. I'm not staying awake at night worried someone's going to come kill me because they haven't caught this person yet. I'd rather the cops take their time and get it right rather than screw it up and the person responsible gets off. If that happens, can't wait to see the bullshit comments.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and i seem to recall the former city manager got a rather large compensation package for retiring, so I don't think he's losing any sleep at night..
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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seriously, do you expect us to run stories every day stating the same thing over and over again?

Maybe we can run a graphic calendar thing....28 days, and still no one charged with the Oland Murder!

In relation to the Totten thing, which was before my time here in Saint John, I think you are pretty naive to think that a large number of people weren't interested in stories like that. You don't think it wasn't all the talk around town in the coffee shops, etc...just the same as the Oland case, perfectly demonstrated by some comments in this thread.
Whether we run the stories or not isn't my decision, so I really don't care either way.

What do you think are the most popular stories in the media?
Crime and courts, and political, and celebrity bullshit. People want to know who is in trouble with the law, who's cheating on who, who's using public money where they shouldn't. Stories like the Defence Minister possibly using a government helicopter as his personal taxi.
Maybe that's not the type of story you want to read, but unfortunately that's what is popular.
If it wasn't the case, we would have tabloid magazine, TMZ and Perez Hilton...

It seems that this isn't a serial killer, it's an isolated incident. I'm not staying awake at night worried someone's going to come kill me because they haven't caught this person yet. I'd rather the cops take their time and get it right rather than screw it up and the person responsible gets off. If that happens, can't wait to see the bullshit comments.

Noel


Yer the one that jumped all over me for wondering why there was a dead silence on the airwaves from this, as if it was a moronic thing to wonder.... maybe you should go back and look at how many times your publication ran the same bullshit stories over and over and i was using Terry Totten as an example. Having read that nonsense for years and years it's a little hard to believe that it's now all of a sudden below the investigative journalistic integrity of the Telegraph to post or rerun updates about a homicide that happened little over 3 months ago, with no googl-able results since august. I wondered if maybe there was more to it..... You obviously decided it was a personal attack or maybe my internet was down and i couldn't reread the glorious coverage from June to satisfy my current curiosity..

If the police fuck it up, it won't be because they rushed it, it will be because they don't know what the fuck they are doing because we don't have a tonne of CSI type bludgeoning murders of prominent individuals around here. The bullshit comments you read will otherwise be known as comments, because people will want to know why they fucked it up in silence over a number of quiet months. Or maybe they will get it right and nail the guy (or girl, god forbid we speculate here, i may lose my liquor license)... It would just be nice to know that something about this story was alive and well. I think that could be achieved without a 28 day calendar but then again i don't work for the telegraph, i just freestyling here

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seriously, do you expect us to run stories every day stating the same thing over and over again?


expect it, no... am i used to it, yes


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yer the one that jumped all over me for wondering why there was a dead silence on the airwaves from this, as if it was a moronic thing to wonder.... maybe you should go back and look at how many times your publication ran the same bullshit stories over and over and i was using Terry Totten as an example. Having read that nonsense for years and years it's a little hard to believe that it's now all of a sudden below the investigative journalistic integrity of the Telegraph to post or rerun updates about a homicide that happened little over 3 months ago, with no googl-able results since august. I wondered if maybe there was more to it..... You obviously decided it was a personal attack or maybe my internet was down and i couldn't reread the glorious coverage from June to satisfy my current curiosity../quote]

"I am surprised the media and everyone in Saint John has been a-ok with this axe murder seemingly being swept under the rug"

Sorry if I take this original statement the wrong way, but i get the sense you feel the media is just sitting on our asses doing nothing while a murderer gets away with a crime...
I just asked around the newsroom, the case is asked about any time we talk to the police about any story. so there you go.
Seriously, what do you want us to do? We aren't the police, we can't investigate and charge anyone. The police aren't giving us any new information.
What is gained by doing a story stating that no progress has been made in the murder investigation every few weeks, or months?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will you guys please relax?

One thing seems apparent. The Irving family has decided to lay off of this until something breaks, in respect to their friends, the Olands. This isn't necessarily such a bad thing.

But I, like most NBers, would like to know WTF is going on.


PS I enjoyed all that Totten coverage in the TJ. I think they deserved it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One thing seems apparent. The Irving family has decided to lay off of this until something breaks, in respect to their friends, the Olands. This isn't necessarily such a bad thing.

But I, like most NBers, would like to know WTF is going on.


PS I enjoyed all that Totten coverage in the TJ. I think they deserved it.


i can't speak to that Craig, but let's be fair here, the latest CBC story about this story was August 25th, pretty much the same time as ours.
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brufrog wrote:
One thing seems apparent. The Irving family has decided to lay off of this until something breaks, in respect to their friends, the Olands. This isn't necessarily such a bad thing.

But I, like most NBers, would like to know WTF is going on.


PS I enjoyed all that Totten coverage in the TJ. I think they deserved it.


i can't speak to that Craig, but let's be fair here, the latest CBC story about this story was August 25th, pretty much the same time as ours.


True. Maclean's has done a better job than local media...
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Nothing would be gained, that is why i don't want to reread the press from June, I want to see a story about why it's so hush hush, is there more to it than meets the eye... hell even some educated speculation for fuck sake... an educated persons opinion of the process and whether this is normal... I realize the media only ever prints articles based on actual fact but could they not make an exception??
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Will you guys please relax?


I am writing all this from the comfort of my own home, that's pretty relaxed!! I figure this is a healthy enough back and forth, no lives are in danger
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brufrog wrote:
Will you guys please relax?


I am writing all this from the comfort of my own home, that's pretty relaxed!! I figure this is a healthy enough back and forth, no lives are in danger


I know...I am envisioning the veins bulging on Noel's temples.
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Well really, i don't think it would be to far out in left field to have some interviews done with people who are very familiar with the process and what goes on behind the scenes to speculate at why things are so quiet, or relate the treatment of this case to other cases. Or to confirm that in fact the DNA eveidence would be in and the fact that it's so quiet could mean A or B.. For the most part Saint Johners would be completely oblivious to what might be going on unless they are relating it to law and order.

It's great the irvings are respecting their friends privacy but it's a publication... One that has singled out people many times and will continue to do so when it sells papers. Print something relevent to this without waiting for the police to tell them something so everyone can print the same thing
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Nothing would be gained, that is why i don't want to reread the press from June, I want to see a story about why it's so hush hush, is there more to it than meets the eye... hell even some educated speculation for fuck sake... an educated persons opinion of the process and whether this is normal... I realize the media only ever prints articles based on actual fact but could they not make an exception??


ok, in a completly serious, non bitchy way on my end...

how are we going to write this story?
how are we going to frame it? "Why haven't the Saint John Police Force arrested anyone yet? Is it incompetence? Or are they just making sure they've got all their ducks in a row?"

This is getting like the so called "CSI effect", where juries won't find people guilty without DNA evidence, because they see the crime solved in less than an hour on TV, and they have the DNA...

Do you personally really need, or is the public really served, by having us interview a criminology prof from STU and have him say "Well, sometimes these cases are sovled right away, sometimes they take more time...the police maybe don't have all the evidence, or they are waiting for evidence, or they really don't have a suspect"

if you want speculation, go to charles leblanc's blog...he's all about reporting things without facts. a teacher died suddenly in Fredericton, and he posts on his blog "I just heard a teacher at ***** school hung himself in the boiler room", or he was posting that police had found the body of the guy in Fredericton who was missed, before it was confirmed by police.
So just imagine being a family member of either of these people are reading this before officially being told by police...
Well, that's something we don't do. We don't report it unless it can be confirmed.

I can guarantee you 100% the SECOND Saint John Police are going to arrest anyone for the murder, they will call a news conference and announce it.

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my reply was posted before your reply
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if you want speculation, go to charles leblanc's blog...


oh hey, from before
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yep, that's some crack journalism from Charles...

but of course as commenter Shawna Mother of Four said so eloquently on this post:
http://charlesotherpersonality.blogspot.com/2011/10/irvings-are-going-video.html
I am just another "Irving automaton machine not an independent thinking human."

Mind you, here full quote of the statement was actually even more mean spirited towards James West, the Daily Gleaner photographer

"That butter ball taking pictures of you for Irving is a Irving automaton machine not an independent thinking human."

Nice. I bet her 4 kids are gonna grow up right...
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of course, I am a ginger, and as well all know thanks to South Park, I have no soul...

or....do we?


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1) never read online comments on stories
2) never read anything from Charles Leblanc or the Unibomber (that's my name for the right winger in the TJ - I forget his name but he is as bad as Charles)
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o you personally really need, or is the public really served, by having us interview a criminology prof from STU and have him say "Well, sometimes these cases are sovled right away, sometimes they take more time...the police maybe don't have all the evidence, or they are waiting for evidence, or they really don't have a suspect"


Well if the paper only consisted of articles we really needed to read or truly served the public there would be a lot of journalists out of work.... I didn't need to read http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/city/article/1445700 ... but it made it's way in there. Apparently we will have to agree to disagree on what is worthwhile reading in the Telegraph Journal...

@Brufrog - yeah i understand the readers may have needed to hear the Totten details a few times... it was their goto story for years, rehashed and reserved over and over. I am shocked there has not been a "Where are they now story" with pictures of what he does in his spare time, or maybe ill begotten text messages..
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nchenier wrote:
o you personally really need, or is the public really served, by having us interview a criminology prof from STU and have him say "Well, sometimes these cases are sovled right away, sometimes they take more time...the police maybe don't have all the evidence, or they are waiting for evidence, or they really don't have a suspect"


Well if the paper only consisted of articles we really needed to read or truly served the public there would be a lot of journalists out of work.... I didn't need to read http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/city/article/1445700 ... but it made it's way in there. Apparently we will have to agree to disagree on what is worthwhile reading in the Telegraph Journal...


well, no one is going to want to read every story in the paper...
people may not want to hear about a couple who's phone lines have been shit for a long time and aliant won't fix...until a story goes in the paper or is on CBC and wouldn't ya know it an aliant truck is there lickety split.
nor may they want to read about a new pub in market square
or a quilt fair
or any other story we do.
they also aren't going to all be pulitzer prize winners either. can't be everything to everyone. i'm not a restaurant owner, but I would assume you have a varied menu to please more that just one taste.
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lemon2bell wrote:
nchenier wrote:
o you personally really need, or is the public really served, by having us interview a criminology prof from STU and have him say "Well, sometimes these cases are sovled right away, sometimes they take more time...the police maybe don't have all the evidence, or they are waiting for evidence, or they really don't have a suspect"


Well if the paper only consisted of articles we really needed to read or truly served the public there would be a lot of journalists out of work.... I didn't need to read http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/city/article/1445700 ... but it made it's way in there. Apparently we will have to agree to disagree on what is worthwhile reading in the Telegraph Journal...


well, no one is going to want to read every story in the paper...
people may not want to hear about a couple who's phone lines have been shit for a long time and aliant won't fix...until a story goes in the paper or is on CBC and wouldn't ya know it an aliant truck is there lickety split.
nor may they want to read about a new pub in market square
or a quilt fair
or any other story we do.
they also aren't going to all be pulitzer prize winners either. can't be everything to everyone. i'm not a restaurant owner, but I would assume you have a varied menu to please more that just one taste.


well, this isn't really agreeing to disagree.. this is more like you telling me that you would like to see a duck dish on a menu in Saint John (not our place specifically as i did not single out the Telegraph til you jumped on me) and i chimed in and said,

"Why the hell would we put a duck dish on our menu, that stupid duck would sit in the fridge all day every day unordered, who the hell would ever eat duck, your ridiculous for even bringing it up.. how the hell would we even serve it?, maybe i should buy 28 ducks, one for everyday of the month and throw them out 1 by 1"

Then you would say to me, "I dunno man don't get so worked up, i just want duck and i want someone to make it, your the restauranteur why the hell don't you figure out a way to serve it, or not whatever"

Then i say "Well i don't want to serve it, i think it's stupid, duck will be served somewhere eventually why bother asking for it"

Then u say "OK whatever man, luckily there are other restaurants in town, i won't hold my breath waiting for your Parmesan duck dish, i guess it was to much to ask"

Then i say "it was shredded Tofu"

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It was actually pan fried tofu….not shredded…..which is typical of phat thai and is nothing like parm.

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lemon2bell wrote:
nchenier wrote:
lemon2bell wrote:
nchenier wrote:
o you personally really need, or is the public really served, by having us interview a criminology prof from STU and have him say "Well, sometimes these cases are sovled right away, sometimes they take more time...the police maybe don't have all the evidence, or they are waiting for evidence, or they really don't have a suspect"


Well if the paper only consisted of articles we really needed to read or truly served the public there would be a lot of journalists out of work.... I didn't need to read http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/city/article/1445700 ... but it made it's way in there. Apparently we will have to agree to disagree on what is worthwhile reading in the Telegraph Journal...


well, no one is going to want to read every story in the paper...
people may not want to hear about a couple who's phone lines have been shit for a long time and aliant won't fix...until a story goes in the paper or is on CBC and wouldn't ya know it an aliant truck is there lickety split.
nor may they want to read about a new pub in market square
or a quilt fair
or any other story we do.
they also aren't going to all be pulitzer prize winners either. can't be everything to everyone. i'm not a restaurant owner, but I would assume you have a varied menu to please more that just one taste.


well, this isn't really agreeing to disagree.. this is more like you telling me that you would like to see a duck dish on a menu in Saint John (not our place specifically as i did not single out the Telegraph til you jumped on me) and i chimed in and said,

"Why the hell would we put a duck dish on our menu, that stupid duck would sit in the fridge all day every day unordered, who the hell would ever eat duck, your ridiculous for even bringing it up.. how the hell would we even serve it?, maybe i should buy 28 ducks, one for everyday of the month and throw them out 1 by 1"

Then you would say to me, "I dunno man don't get so worked up, i just want duck and i want someone to make it, your the restauranteur why the hell don't you figure out a way to serve it, or not whatever"

Then i say "Well i don't want to serve it, i think it's stupid, duck will be served somewhere eventually why bother asking for it"

Then u say "OK whatever man, luckily there are other restaurants in town, i won't hold my breath waiting for your Parmesan duck dish, i guess it was to much to ask"

Then i say "it was shredded Tofu"

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So I can't ask to have duck on the menu in Saint John, but you can ask to have speculative stories?

And did I actually say that I wanted duck? No, I said a variety of tastes. I wasn't specific.

Actually the first mention of the Telegraph Journal was by you...read my posts, they say MEDIA, not the Telegraph specifically...you got specific when you mentioned the Totten stories.

I'm sure you'd take issue with anyone on here who made a blanket statement like "restuarants in saint john provide shitty service"

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i'd have to take issue an awful lot then, thats a pretty common post in nearly every service based thread.... my duck post was obviously in jest, i don't care to carry on this shit about what the telegraph should and shouldn't print, at the end of the day, you don't make that decision so there is no point in carrying on about it..

I am surprised there has been nothing to report in the last month and a half... after our conversation, i am no less surprised. i am not surprised that you didn't print anything because as you said noone called you and told you some new details.. I am surprised no articles came from digging/investigating/interview/speculation or a combination of all - maybe i am the only person in Saint John who is surprised by that, but i am so there is really no argument.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i'd have to take issue an awful lot then, thats a pretty common post in nearly every service based thread.... my duck post was obviously in jest, i don't care to carry on this shit about what the telegraph should and shouldn't print, at the end of the day, you don't make that decision so there is no point in carrying on about it..

I am surprised there has been nothing to report in the last month and a half... after our conversation, i am no less surprised. i am not surprised that you didn't print anything because as you said noone called you and told you some new details.. I am surprised no articles came from digging/investigating/interview/speculation or a combination of all - maybe i am the only person in Saint John who is surprised by that, but i am so there is really no argument.


i seem to recall telling you that almost every time we speak to the police on any police related matter, we ask if there is anything new about the Oland case. Considering that in Saint John crime happens on a daily basis, I guess that would mean we ask almost every day.
So there you go, at least you know we aren't part of a conspiracy to keep you out of the loop.

Yeah, I think we're done here.
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speaking of that earlier reference to Chuckles Leblanc: does he read GC?

http://charlesotherpersonality.blogspot.com/2011/10/richard-oland-murder-will-never-be.html
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I love how people can shit on lemon2bell when it comes to the food service/ restaurant business, but when he questions the lack of news on the Oland case, Chenier has a bitch fit.

Calm the fuck down, he isn't personally attacking you, he is questioning the lack of news, lack of any updates from the police.

Let's be honest, the reporting at the Telegraph Journal is crap. The paper itself is garbage, with most of the news a couple of days old. Now that's not an attack on you, because your photos are one of the good things about an otherwise underwhelming publication, so I don't blame you.

I just don't understand attacking someone questioning the lack of news. If this were a major city, it would be all over the place. That may be good or bad, but at least the public would continue to be somewhat informed.
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That's uncalled for. The TJ is the best paper in the Maritimes, by far.
I don't think you read it. Have you ever read the Chronicle Herald? Geesh.

For the size of the market, the TJ is a good paper. It has had its ups and downs, but it currently is up, especially the arts coverage. Like any smaller market paper, of course it sometimes has silly local stories, and I hate the way they print petty crime and D&D details, but, overall, I am proud of the paper.

Anyway, I wish Noel and Lemon would call this off and have a beer. Speaking of which, Lemon, do you have the new Picaroons Harvest Ale on tap? If so, I'll be in for lunch today. Make sure they have some fresh salad rolls for me!
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I love how people can shit on lemon2bell when it comes to the food service/ restaurant business, but when he questions the lack of news on the Oland case, Chenier has a bitch fit.

Calm the fuck down, he isn't personally attacking you, he is questioning the lack of news, lack of any updates from the police.

Let's be honest, the reporting at the Telegraph Journal is crap. The paper itself is garbage, with most of the news a couple of days old. Now that's not an attack on you, because your photos are one of the good things about an otherwise underwhelming publication, so I don't blame you.

I just don't understand attacking someone questioning the lack of news. If this were a major city, it would be all over the place. That may be good or bad, but at least the public would continue to be somewhat informed.


i'm sorry for misinterpreting his posting, but as I said, I take what he said as the media are part of some big conspiracy with the police to keep the public uniformed about the case...which isn't the case as I've pointed out numerous times.

i have no idea what your field of work is Messier (or who you are for that matter, and i appreciate that you like my work) but when people make blanket statements about my profession, well, I should have the right to defend. I take pride in my work, and I can tell you so do my colleagues at the Telegraph. What happens to our work once we put it in, we can't control.

it's funny how other people on here can jump on people and not get called a bitch. Must be the whole "near and dear to giraffecycle" thing.

since I know dick all about the restaurant industry, I'm not going to comment on it. I try not to give opinions on things I really don't know anything about. I don't recall taking part in any discussion on here where lemon2bell got shit on.

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Hey brufrog….we just got the harvest ale in yesterday. As of yesterday morning we had half a keg of pumphouse lager to go through before we could put it on. We did, however, take the liberty of having a sample. It is perfect. Like I said, got the kegs yesterday and they had been kegged the day before. Pretty fresh beer. If you go in for lunch, I am sure Dan would be pumped to remove the lager and get you a pint or better yet you can help us drink the rest of it so we can put that harvest on for good.
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I would totally order the duck dish. That's what this thread was about, right? Right.
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Goonguy wrote:
Hey brufrog….we just got the harvest ale in yesterday. As of yesterday morning we had half a keg of pumphouse lager to go through before we could put it on. We did, however, take the liberty of having a sample. It is perfect. Like I said, got the kegs yesterday and they had been kegged the day before. Pretty fresh beer. If you go in for lunch, I am sure Dan would be pumped to remove the lager and get you a pint or better yet you can help us drink the rest of it so we can put that harvest on for good.


I did both thanx! Nice lamb curry special too ;)
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There seems to be a lot of unsolved deaths in NB. Here is a link to some that the RCMP are investigating.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/nb/prog_services/unsolved_crimes-crimes_non_resolus/index-eng.htm#b
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There seems to be a lot of unsolved deaths in NB. Here is a link to some that the RCMP are investigating.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/nb/prog_services/unsolved_crimes-crimes_non_resolus/index-eng.htm#b


Scary list there. Many of those cases I've heard of and forgotten about. The little girl in Moncton is pretty sad.
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This thread title sounds like the name of a freeform jazz album recorded on a raft in the Saint John harbour.
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Lefty wrote:
There seems to be a lot of unsolved deaths in NB. Here is a link to some that the RCMP are investigating.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/nb/prog_services/unsolved_crimes-crimes_non_resolus/index-eng.htm#b


Scary list there. Many of those cases I've heard of and forgotten about. The little girl in Moncton is pretty sad.


Wow! That is quite a list and it does not include unsolved cases being investigated by the Saint John and Rothesay police. The cases of Mrs. Mann of Gondola Point and the manager of the Greco Pizza in the North end, who was shot during a robbery come to mind...there are probably many more.
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i blame the media ;-)
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i blame the media ;-)


of course. i'm surprised you haven't called for an occupy the media protest...

we also killed JFK.
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Hey look, something happened and the media reported it.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/story/2011/10/12/nb-oland-investigation-crown-extension-1120.html

Also, tomorrow the newspaper will have the same story with more words and maybe a photo of this lawyer fella leaving city hall if they're really on it. If not, I predict a photo of the police officers carrying garbage bags away from the Oland home.
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nchenier wrote:
We aren't the police, we can't investigate and charge anyone.


Also, I had to go back and respond to this.

There is nothing stopping the paper from investigating (except resources and profit motive, I suppose).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigative_journalism

But otherwise I agree, if there's nothing new there's nothing new.
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except resources


that's sums it up there.

of course I meant investigate in the legal sense where said investigation leads to charges.

besides, didn't you see our 9/11 ten year anniversary investigative piece?
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